In the eleventh episode of Perceived Value, host Sarah Rachel Brown sits down with the Programs Director of Arrowmont School of Arts and Crafts, Nick Deford. This is the second installment of a series of interviews Sarah conducted during Arrowmont's Pentaculum this past January. The two artists sit down to discuss what a programs director does, how an artist juggles their studio practice with their arts administration job, and are student loans like the boogie man?